Chromatic Yuletide 2010 Nominations!

[dark_administrator]

If you have nominated one or more fandoms that qualify for our challenge, please list them here! If you would like to brainstorm, urge other people to nominate something you might not have had a slot for, or discuss other aspects of nominations, this is the space to do it.

Do remember that the closer we get to 25th December 2010, the harder it will be for people to learn a new source canon - so this is the best time to try to woo a potential writer over into a TV series or epic 6 volume book canon.

How to Nominate
The nomination form

Nominations close Wednesday, 20th October at 8:59 pm US Eastern time.

Addendum:

With the help of dharmavati, eruthros, and thingswithwings, to whom we owe many thanks, we've been compiling nominated fandoms with chromatic creators and characters from your comments, the Yuletide Nominated Fandoms List, and the Yuletide Characters List in the Chromatic Yuletide 2010 Nominations List spreadsheet (html version).

We've been following titling and tagging conventions from yuletide and AO3 and will need help adding and verifying information, so if you have time and energy to spare, we would appreciate your assistance! The spreadsheet is set so anyone (no Google account needed) can edit, and Google Docs is designed so multiple editors can work on a document simultaneously and all their edits will update. We're currently working through the Yuletide Nominated Fandoms list, and you can check our status under Progress. We have also included a Color Key to explain the highlighted cells.

We're also maintaining a list of Chromatic Yuletide Fandom Promotion Posts here.

Comments

[plazmah]

I nominated...

Louis Vuitton commercial Superflat Monogram: chromatic source and characters; the commercial was created by renowned Japanese artist Takashi Murakami. Watch it here.
RPF - Bollywood
Step Up (movie series): Main characters are white but there's a plethora of CoC that I'd love to see fic for.
Today's Special: Main character Jodie is a CoC.
Wanted (2009): The Bollywood superhit, not the movie with Angelina Jolie.

[troisroyaumes]

I nominated:

Hwang Jin-yi (tv) - amazing K-drama based on the life of a famous historical courtesan (gisaeng) and her vocation as an artist

Queen Seondeok (tv) - another amazing K-drama about the first female king of Silla and how she rose to power with plenty of court intrigue and an awesome female antagonist

Hong Gil-dong (tv) - fusion K-drama loosely based on the novel about a Robin Hood-type hero who steals from the rich to give to the poor; starts off as mostly slapstick comedy and ends up talking about revolution

Janelle Monae - The ArchAndroid (album) - clearly am not the only one to nominate! :D

Seunggyungwan Scandal - popular K-drama about a girl who crossdresses in order to attend a prestigious academy for young nobility studying for their civil service exam

Cinderella's Sister - flawed but intriguing K-drama from the "evil stepsister" perspective

[toujours_nigel]

Hullo.

I have nominated The Mahabharata and Mythology: Indian, and Lawrence of Atrabia.

Also Mary Renault's Alexander series, the second book of which is in a Persian setting, with a Persian narrator/protagonist. (link because I am bad at hyper-linking: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Persian_Boy; also I have the e-book if anyone wants.)

ETA: And Eastern Promises which has, in minor but significant roles, a gangster called Azeem, and his nephew.

[mari4212]

I've nominated Hand of Isis by Jo Graham, which has as one of the central three characters Iras. Hand of Isis is set in Alexandria, Egypt, in Cleopatra's time. Iras is mixed race, her father was Ptolemy, her mother was Nubian.

Jim Butcher also has The Dresden Files, which is mostly full of white characters. But there is Ramirez and Susan, who are both Latino, and Sanya, who is black and Russian.

[thingswithwings]

Just in case anyone doesn't know: you can look at the list of fandoms that have been nominated so far here. That way, you can see what's been nominated already and save your nomination for something that's not on the list yet. Although it's important to remember that people can change their nominations, so you can't always count on something that's there today still being there tomorrow.

[wistfuljane]

Do you know if there's a list of characters that have been nominated too? I've tried to access the list linked at that page (http://yuletidetreasure.org/master.shtml), but it's not a working one?

[senmut]

Annie (Movie) has one CoC, and I do acknowledge it is problematic.

The Abyss has One Knight, who is, in my opinion, a strong woman in her own right who needs more screen time.

The other four I nominated are book fandoms that I tend to read more color into than the authors give me.

[katta]

Well, this is a bit awkward... I nominated Vampire Girl vs. Frankenstein Girl, which is definitely chromatic, but which also contains a Ganguro parody that results in highly exaggerated and bizarre blackface. So it counts, but be warned.

As for my other nominations: for Kiki Strike. I intend to request Luz Lopez. There are two other chromatic characters in the main cast. (At least I've always read DeeDee as black, but the story never really says.)

I'm not sure whether Sezuan, my preferred character in The Shamer Chronicles, is chromatic or not, but a case can certainly be made for it.

East of Eden has Lee, and if I end up requesting it, he's a likely character candidate.

[maryling]

I've nominated several K-dramas (Jejoongwon, Jumong, Painter of the Wind, You're Beautiful).

Also, there are PoC in the various sports RPF fandoms, namely baseball, football (both NFL and soccer), and a couple in hockey.

[dragonfly]

I nominated The Mahabharata -- I always offer it and I never get assigned to write for it -- and The Mysterious Cities of Gold, which is Japanese anime about Spanish and Native South American characters.

[liviapenn]

YAY MYSTERIOUS CITIES OF GOLD. *sighs*

[liviapenn]

I haven't really decided on my nominations yet, but one of them will definitely be I Spy, a 1966 buddy-cop spy adventure show and the (depending on the specific critera you're using) one of the first American tv shows, if not the very first, to feature a black actor as a lead. (More info here and here.)

You can watch the entire series on Hulu, or get all three seasons on Amazon.com for about $36 last time I checked.

two notes:

1) due to the amount of ad-libbing and re-writing that went on, especially of Scotty and Kelly's scenes, I almost kind of want to argue that I Spy could be counted as a show with a co-creator of color, Bill Cosby; but really more in spirit and in tone, not so much in the actual letter.

2) They did a lot of international shooting, filming blocks of episodes in China, Japan, Spain, Italy, Greece, Mexico, etc., and honestly although they were more subtle and more ground-breaking on the issue of *Scotty's* race than most people seem to think, even today, they often were *really bad* at portraying the ~~exotic~~ people & cultures they were visiting, so be aware that (especially in the first-season block of episodes with Asian settings) there are varying moments and levels of fail there, interspersed with the occasional moment when they get it *really right*.

[grey_bard]

The Incredible Hercules (comic) in which one of the two main characters, Amadeus Cho, is Korean American. Oh, snarky, brilliant, loyal arrogant teenage Amadeus Cho, who deserves way more fic and way more press. He challenged actual Olympian and Asgardian gods for the life of a friend. Yeah, I'm going to be requesting fic about him.

Yes, this comic is written by Greg Pak who, like Amadeus Cho, is Korean American, so you won't be getting well-meaning stereotypeville here. He is not neutered (he has an AWESOME smart, hot, ruthless supernatural girlfriend Delphyne Gorgon), he does not know kung-fu (he uses his powers to out think people and to hit stuff with other stuff), and is not a good little boy.

Eric Flint - The Trail of Glory series So much potential for fic. This two book series in which the first book and a half are free online is a What If alternate universe in which the Cherokee figure out the Trail of Tears is on the horizon before it happens, start their own actual country in Arkansas, end slavery in their own territory, and end up with a surprisingly prosperous society that's half Native American, half former slave, and willing to tell slaveowners and the USA to go screw themselves.

Sadly, the actual books waste approximately half their page count and "screentime" on white people, but whatever. The cool AU exploration possibilities are super cool and the major characters of color (there are many) are uniformly amazing. I so want fic for this and not for the white dudes.

Showdown in Little Tokyo manages to be both a hilariously dumb and slashy 90's movie and say some surprisingly smart and funny things about Asian stereotypes and well-meaning American Asian-fetishism. Mostly through BRANDON LEE! (Um. And his character, obviously.)

The heroes of the movie are Johnny Murata (Brandon Lee) and Chris Kenner (Dolph Lundgren), two cops assigned to the Little Tokyo neighborhood because their bosses think they're well suited to it. Murata is a mixed-race Japanese American guy from The Valley who speaks almost zero Japanese, does not blend at all, and is completely un-thrilled that he got tossed in this unit just because he looks Asian. He's also smart, snarky, self-aware and a good cop. Kenner is a hilariously white well-meaning Asian fetishist who grew up in Japan, speaks the language, and whose fanboy-heaven fake samurai cliche wardrobe and house make for hilarious sight gags, and deeply amuses Murata.

Are the villains sort of problematic Asian gangster stereotypes? Well, yes, but this is a dumb early 90's action movie that doesn't take itself seriously. The civilians, the love interest and one of the heroes are also of Asian descent and not, so make of that what you will. Your mileage may vary, but the fact that Murata is so awesome and the fact that the movie was self-aware on this front, thinking about it in depth, and cracking jokes about it makes it actually rare even today, and a lot of fun.

[annakas]

I'm not planning to participate in the inner challenge by intent but most of my nominations fit the bill so there is a big chance I'll be doing it accidentally.

Rh Plus -(A Japanese drama, so everyone is Japanese. I lifted the summary from dramacrazy)

This series follows the daily lives of 4 vampires that live together in a European-style building: Kiyoi is the eldest who takes care of the others, Masakazu is a college student who gets information on criminal activities, and Ageha and Makoto both go to high-school (and tend to end up helping Masakazu whether they really want to or not). They fight against crime when the cops are unwilling or unable to do so. The series is based off of a shounen-ai manga published in B's Log. Whether you like shounen-ai or not, it hasn't been very obvious in this series and it may not be... the jury's still out on that. TimeLesSub

Watch it here: http://www.dramacrazy.net/japanese-drama/rh-plus/

MW (manga by Osamu Tezuka)

The content may be triggering and disturbing. Deals with some very heavy and dark subjects like pedophilia, rape (both female and male), necrophilia, zoophilia, serial murder, torture, mass murder, child murder, chemical weapons ect.

(Fallowing summary is lifted from wikipedia)

The banker Michio Yuki leads a double life. Besides his dayjob he also engages in a series of kidnappings in which he usually will kill both the kidnapped person as well as the extorted after he has reaped the money. After his deeds he seeks refuge with the Catholic priest Father Garai. The two men share a history as 15 years prior they were both the only survivors of a leak of poisonous gas at a military basis on a small pacific island near Okinawa called Okino Mafune Island. The men also share a homosexual relationship; after their first night together the adolescent Garai raped the underaged Michio. However, Michio did not escape unscathed as he inhaled a dose of the poisonous gas, MW, which drove him criminally insane. However, the incident had been carefully covered up and the island repopulated, while the military base was dissolved and the MW moved to another base.

Garai, feeling that Michio's misdeeds are in part his responsibility and also bound to his oath as a priest, chooses not to hand Michio over to the police but instead to assist him in his escape.


The manga has been printed in English by vertical ( In both hard cover and this year as a paper back) so it should be findable.
You can have a free preview of the first chapter in their homepage.

http://www.vertical-inc.com/books/mw.html

There are scanlations of the book also going on, so if someone is really intrested they should be able to find it.

While this is a very disturbing read and can be discomfortable to be read because of the dark subject matters, I still absolutely love it because the book makes one think, has good allegories in what it is to be a human, What it is to be a monster, what creates them, is redemption possible ect.

[maradao.livejournal.com]

I nominated:

The Path - A Belgian indie computer game inspired by the creepier, more uncomfortable aspects of the Little Red Riding Hood story in its many forms. One of the two co-developers of The Path is a woman of color, and the last of the seven female player characters -- the one who single-handedly saves everything from becoming a wolves-snarl-everybody-dies kind of ending -- is PoC as well. See her in the free demo chapter over hereabouts:

http://grandmothers-house.net/and-stay-on-the-path/

[annakas]

Continuing with my nominations.

Crows Zero I & II (Japanese movies)

Movies can boast with amazing cast some of Japan's best current young talent (Like Oguri Shun, Yamada Takayuki just few of the named), has awesome fight scenes, awesome friendships between men and rivalry.


Plot revolves around a Japanese high school called Suzuran, where only the worst of delinquents go. The school is split in to gangs, and the goal of every group is to conquer the school and the gang leader to become the king of the school. Many have become near but no one has succeeded so far in the school history.

Enter Takiya Genji, the new transfer student in Suzuran and son of a Yakuza boss. He wrangles a promise out of his father that if he becomes the king of Suzuran (his father coulnd't do it at his time) then his father retires and Genji can take over the Yakuza and be the new boss.

Genji needs to fight his way to the top, get his own gang. On his way stands the current head of Suzuran Tamao Serizawa, nicknamed the Beast of Suzuran. Trouble is Tamao's current best friend Tokio is Genji's former estranged childhood best friend...

Can Genji fight himself to the top? What about his friendship with Tokio?

If you like good fight scences, pretty gorgeous men, good friendships and homoerotic vibes coming off the screen then these two movies are for you.

Go watch them here:

First movie:
http://www.dramacrazy.net/japanese-movie/crows-zero-watch/

Second movie:
http://www.dramacrazy.net/japanese-movie/crow-zero-2-watch/



Princess Princess (Anime & Manga)

Plot summary lifted from the wikipedia entry.

"Princess Princess" is a story revolving around the lives of three boys chosen to dress up as girls at the all-boy school they attend, which also just happens to be the most elite school in the area. The main protagonist, Toru Kouno, has just transferred to a new all-boys school, Fujimori, after living with his uncle's family for years after his parents death.

He is one such boy chosen to be one of "Princesses", which is a tradition at the school in order to break up the monotony of life surrounded by nothing but males. Students (based on certain qualifications) are selected to be Princesses and are made to dress up as girls and attend school functions like this for a year.

At the beginning of the story, there are already two such Princesses, Yuujiro Shihodani and Mikoto Yutaka, known as the Western Princess and Eastern Princess respectively, due to their room location. Toru is convinced into becoming a Princess soon after entering the school,because the Princesses get awesome perks and bonuses with the job, though once he accepted the job, he found it to be much more enjoyable than he thought.

Both the manga and anime are officially out in English. The thin pack of the anime (3 DVD's) with the whole series is actually quite cheap.

The manga Princess Princess by Mikiyo Tsuda is out in English by DMP (Digital Manga Publishing) and has 5 volumes, though for an even better experience I rec reading The Day of Revolution and Family Complex by the same author also, since they share the Princess Princess universe and some of the characters. Though the other two are not needed to understand Princess Princess.

http://www.dmpbooks.com/books/?author=96

And the Princess Princess anime is out by Media Blasters. By memory the anime should have either 12 or 13 episodes.

http://www.media-blasters.com/

The anime should be up in several streaming sites, so it should be easy to watch it if getting the official DVD's is impossible. Part 1 of ep 1 is here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rB2q7fPyRoM

[annakas]

Yet again continuing with my nominations:

Autumn's Concerto (Taiwanese Drama)


There also should have a Taiwanese book called "Next Stop To Happiness" based on this/or this was based on. I am not sure which came first)

Drama summary mostly taken from drama crazy and bits edited by me:

"Ren Guang Xi, a cocky law student, seems to lead the perfect life. He's the sole successor to a huge and famous business and a talented ice hockey player. But in reality, his lonely life lacks joy, laughter and motivation.

That is until he meets Liang Mu Cheng, the new bento seller at his school canteen. Although orphaned at a young age, Mu Cheng does not let her past affect her and lives life with great passion and determination. A harmless bet brings the two together and Guang Xi slowly changes as Mu Cheng teaches him how to give and love.

Tragedy strikes when Guang Xi suddenly has to go through a major brain surgery which causes him to lose his memory. His mother begs & emotionally blackmails Mu Cheng to leave him and the latter has no choice but to do so. Little does she know that she already is pregnant with Ren Guang Xi's child.

Six years pass. Mu Cheng lives a quiet life with her young son in the countryside while Guang Xi is now a successful lawyer, with only the memories of the past six years after the surgery and is engaged to He Yi Qian, the kind and beautiful doctor who took care of him after his surgery.

A strangely familiar piano piece stirs Guang Xi's heart as he struggles to recall his previous life he can't remember at all and the romance with Mu Cheng that turned him in to a better man.

Will he regain his past? Learn about his fatherhood? Can six years of lies and misunderstandings be overcome? Will the next stop be to happiness?"

This is an absolute must watch drama. If there was a Taiwanese drama to be watched, this is it.

I usually can't stand melodramas, and all the love triangles and misunderstandings, but this one hooked me in after the first ep. It doesn't drag like a lot of other asian melodramas do or have flat one dimensional love rivals. The chemistry between the main characters is sizzling. The love rivals are also very sympathetic. So at some points you really don't know who to cheer for.

What makes this drama special is that all of the characters are so human, absolutely all of them make mistakes and no one is utterly good. You don't have a drama in here with one dimensional characters.

Most important though is the child actor who plays Xiao Le, the 5 year old son of the two main leads. He absolutely steals the show, his sincerity, adorableness is absolutely staggering. And he has chemistry with everyone. I'd rec to watch the show for him alone if everything else was crap. Luckily all the other actors are also awesome.

Watch the show here:

http://www.dramacrazy.net/taiwanese-drama/autumns-concerto-episode-list/

[ghostonfilm.livejournal.com]

Five of my nominations contained main characters of color:

Cindy Pon - Silver Phoenix
Set in a medieval Chinese dynasty, all the characters are Chinese or of mixed heritage.

Eureka (tv)
Sci-fy dramedy about a town of geniuses. Allison, Jo, and Henry are the main characters of color. I plan on requesting fic about Allison.

N.K. Jemisin - The Hundred Thousand Kingdoms
Don't know if I'm going to request or just offer it yet. Probably depends on the second book.

Scott Westerfeld - Uglies series
Futuristic dystopian YA. The first three books are white-centric; however, the fourth is set in (future) Tokyo and features primarily Japanese characters. I plan on requesting fic about Aya.

The Vampire Diaries (TV)
Vampire YA TV show. The characters of color in this show are Pearl, Anna, Emily, and Bonnie (I believe those are the main ones?). I plan on requesting fic about Bonnie, who is a witch.

[(Anonymous)]

Ann Halam - Doctor Franklin's Island: YA sci-fi novel about three teenagers who get planewrecked on an island and then kidnapped for genetic experiments. The narrator is a probably British girl of Jamaican descent.

[annakas]

Some other asian fandoms I rec and see others have nominated.

MW (Movie)

The MW movie came out in 2009 and is based on the same titled manga by Osamu Tezuka that I nominated. A lot of the more extreme and disturbing stuff is taken out from the movie version compared with the manga but still enough of the dark stuff remains. Again warning the movie has serial murders, chemical weapon, violence against women ect in it.

I'we stolen the summary from drama crazy and edited it a bit:

"When a top secret chemical compound called MW infects an island near Okinawa, the military is sent in to kill all the victims and cover up the incident.

A survivor named Michio Yuki (Hiroshi Tamaki) grows up to become a highly-successful banker, but he is slowly being driven mad by the effects of MW. After committing a series of ruthless crimes to get revenge against the people responsible for the cover-up, he decides on the ultimate way to get revenge...

The only other survivor of the cover up is Garai (Yamada Takayuki), who grows up to become a catholic priest because of the horrors he witnessed with Michio Yuki in the MW cover up when they were children. He is the only one who the insane Michio Yuki confides in and trusts.

Father Garai is torn between doing what is right. Can he give out Michio Yuki to the police for his horrible deeds, while knowing the only reason Father Garai still is alive is because Michio Yuki saved his life on that fateful day all those years ago, and by doing that deed Michio Yuki got a dose of MW that has slowly been killing him ff for all these years and turned him insane.

You can watch the movie here:
http://www.dramacrazy.net/japanese-movie/m.w/

The movie also has an one episode prequel but it is not needed to understand the movie.

http://www.dramacrazy.net/japanese-drama/mw-chapter-0-akuma-no-game/

[ar]

The ABCFamily dramedy Huge does a really good job of trying to show diversity in general, taking into account size, ability, gender, and sexuality as well as race--but right here, we're talking race. :D There are four main characters of colour (Becca Huffstetter, Dr. Rand, and Chloe and Alistair Delgado), and they're all complex people with interesting personalities and worthwhile storylines that allow them to grow as people. This is a show about characters in the process of figuring out who they are and how to express their identities to the people around them, and it's a delight to watch. And since I think one of the most enjoyable aspects of the show is watching those identities grow naturally out of their characters, rather than walking knowing who they all are, I'm not going to list out what's happening with any of them.

The show is ten hour-long episodes and is good right from the start, though it's my personal opinion that the show really finds its feet in episode 3, Live Action Role-Playing...in which Becca attempts to start a LARP group at camp. It's amazing and fantastic and worth giving a try. Oh, and available in full on Hulu at this time.

[missmollyetc]

I nominated Black and White/痞子英雄 a Taiwanese drama from...2009, I think, because it has fast cars, AMAZING women, and hot men with guns (and coffee. Oh, the coffee). Basically, come for the hot ass, stay for the evolving plot! It's awesome, and if there was any fic for it ANYWHERE EVER, I would be eternally happy.

Episodes can be found at here

[aldanise]

I love you so much for nominating this. I literally did a dance of joy when I saw it on the list.

[isagel]

I nominated the 1983 movie adaptation of Walter Farley's The Black Stallion Returns, which I'm mentioning here because, while it's a story by white creators filled with rather cliché Arabs, what I really, profoundly want from that nomination is a story about the chromatic character Raj which would place him believably within North African culture and history at mid 20th century. Why, yes, I am totally angling for the historically accurate epic where Raj plays a role in the liberation from French colonial rule, and is badass. :)

[schemingreader]

Last year I actually got fic for one of my favorite things ever, the Love and Rockets comics, all because of your efforts. So much love to you for this!

I wasn't thinking about inclusion when I made my nominations, but a few of them qualify anyway:

• Janelle Monae's new album, The ArchAndroid


• Louise Erdrich's The Birchbark House series


• Michio Kaku's popular science work, Physics of the Impossible. Kaku is Japanese-American and his parents were in a relocation camp during WW2. I would love to see a fic about his love of Buck Rogers and his absolutely insane high school science fair project, both of which were in the book's introduction. (Plus the book is absolute CRACK, I'm not kidding, it is hilarious to read out loud...Oh please please please, let this turn into a viable Yuletide fandom...)

[jadelennox]

I went for attempted uniqueness with my nominations, and *never* thought I wouldn't be the only one to nominate Birchbark House!

[chomiji]

Nominated two manga series:

Samurai Deeper Kyo (a rather cracked-out historical fantasy series about a semi-demonic swordsman and a magically powerful clan with a plan to take over Japan) and Kekkaishi (a modern-day fantasy series about teens who are members of rival demon-hunting families).

I also nominated C.J. Cherryh's Alliance-Union universe, which is multi-planet-spanning SF with not as many characters of color as I believe it could have, but there are a couple of awesome ones, specifically female asteroid miner Soheila "Sal" Aboujib (in the novels Heavy Time and Hellburner)and the terrifyingly intelligent starship captain Edmund Porey (Hellburner and Downbelow Station). Porey's cast as a villain but there's more to him than that.

[yifu]

Samurai Deeper KYO
Kekkaishi

SO MUCH YES.

[snowynight]

Yakushiji Ryōko no Kaiki Jikenbo (lit. "Ryōko Yakushiji's Strange Case Files") has supernatural humour action mystery, a female magnificant bastard protagonist and social satire.

Bloodless: a slice-of-life vampire manga with mystery and action. The vampires imagined is interesting.

[aldanise]

Among my nominations:

Powerful Opponents: kdrama in which the two top members of their year in the bodyguard academy (who feud with each other) get assigned to the troublemaker son of the South Korean president. People talk about it as a romance-action, but it's really much more a family-action, with really cool explorations of what it means to be a family and the role of family in individual life. And it has a fantastic OT3, which means slashiness galore, along with pretty awesome het.

Bloody Monday (2 seasons): jdrama about a high school boy who's basically the most accomplished hacker in Japan. It has oh so many issues (including killing off way too many of its women), but I adore almost all of the characters, the hacking imagery/music is melodramatically awesome, and Takagi uses Linux.

Galileo: jdrama about a rookie cop who teams up with an obnoxious but very effective scientist to solve crime. She mocks his social skills and he mocks her (lack of) rationality, and, okay, it's totally stereotypical (his "scientific" explanations are always right), but they're both actually pretty amazing despite all of that. Just...turn off the part of your brain that knows actual math the minute Yukawa-sensei starts scribbling.

Tale of Genji: I've talked about this a lot, but, basically, a foundational book of the Japanese canon (54 chapters, but to write about many of the main characters you only need the first two thirds), with a huge array of wonderful characters having complicated relationships, an image of classical Japan that still dominates our understanding today, and fanfiction written by a major literary scholar from the late 1700s (untranslated yet, of course).

[aldanise]

Um, make that Galileo, since I fail at linking.